Local Agency Forum
October 26, 2016
Moderator: Guy James – Allegany County
1. Bridge NY
a. # of projects by Region
b. Funding allocation by Region
Submitted by Region? Rich can get those data (226 total applications, 53 counties). County superintendents trying to know where the projects are and how much money was requested. Want to know how quickly these need to be turned around. The amount requested is 3 times the amount available. Need a breakdown of request value versus amount available. Only 7 applications from LI and NYC. ~60 Hudson applications and the rest is upstate. Would also like breakdown on the culvert applications. Most culvert applications are upstate. NO real schedule for awarding applications, but reviewers are working on a consensus. The 18 months is tied to the state-local agreement (execution of the agreement). Towns vs. Counties – A lot of towns and villages applied. Is a Federal authorization needed to start these programs? These are going through as if Federal monies (hold back of funds by Governor’s office). Need to have federal approvals.
- Need information on amounts (breakdown by regions and type of municipalities)
- Dates and when the 18 months start (time to get letting completed)
- Are culverts federal or state funds?
- Look on FAQ site and notify Associations and LTAP Center
$59 Million in Marcheselli funding. Are we going to be short going forward?
- Are Bridge NY projects eligible for Marcheselli?
- When will folks who are NOT getting funds going to be notified so the agencies can look for alternative sources of funds? Not sure when this will be done (Rich)?
[revisit] – Projects already on the approved list. Region 4 folks were told to put some of these projects on the Bridge NY funds. What happens to the TIP funds? Rich – State is doing a technical review including feasibility of the project. Rich did not have a clear answer to this question. Some felt that the Bridge NY funds were replacing local projects on the TIP. There appeared to be some confusion.
2. Centerline vs. Lane-mile issue
The new local highway inventory regulations do follow highway law for CHIPS.
Turning lanes are not counted in the new inventory system. Everyone has seen the initial mileage and meetings are being held to discuss the new values. The NYSDOT Highway Data Services folks are electing to modify the lane-miles at the same time. This does not match CHIPS as the new rules only include through lanes. CHIPS uses travel lane. 4 lane road with a road diet (2 lane with turning lanes) gets counted as only 2 lanes. Monroe County may lose $60-70 K in funds. Peter Ryan will try to set up a meeting with Ron Epstein.
- Be nice to have a meeting between Counties and NYSDOT to discuss.
3. Weather Hardening Program
a. Information about?
b. Status updates?
This seemed to be something new from Phil Eng this morning. Need to get more details. Is this an application process or how are the funds being designated? Money for vulnerable structures. This is FEMA funding?
- Need more details and share with the local agencies. (Peter Ryan)
4. Tappan Zee Panel Updates
Chris Millington, FHWA – 150 deck panels available. Over the winter a call will be set up to iron out the logistics. Demo fall of 2017. Details need to be worked out. An agreement will need to be signed. 4 in the room asked for panels. About a dozen agencies overall have asked for panels. May be able to ship them to individual yards or a combined location. Probably early 2018 before they will be delivered. State is looking to get a few. Will need special permits to move on state highways.
- FHWA will be setting up a call to discuss the details (FHWA and local agencies) sometime over the winter.
5. Pre-cast Concrete Blocks available
September – blocks at Watkins Glen International are available. Indy racing league has over 1,000 blocks in Boston, MA. ~$210 each to get them from the racetrack. Some are pin-able. About 700 available.
- Need to get the details from Guy / Ken and share with local agencies (recirculate email for local agencies).
6. Concerns about “new” bridge inspection reports
Condition rating is critical for managing bridges. New reports do have safety flags and some condition data. (Lots of new acronyms) Some of the information on the reports needs to have information faster (condition rating) and safety (buried deep). Overall rating (old style number) will exist for several years and is a translated number (Rich). Will also still have recommendations from the inspectors. Quantities on the inspection will be helpful for determining the amount of work to be done. A new ‘health index’ will be part of the new inspection process. State is researching different scales which will replace the old 1-7 scale. Both numbers will be available for a while. NYSDOT has old style numbers with state bridges. Locals are NOT getting this number. Mark S (NYSDOT) said number not ready yet for local agencies. 1-7 scale is a nice screen tool for evaluation of bridge network. NYSDOT knew there would be growing pains, but felt it is an improvement in the long run, but need to not throw out the old data for a while. Need to find a way to get the data from the State system to be shared with the locals (The state can already see the data). A 2016 inspection manual is available. Can a local be added to the development committee? $90 million to inspect bridges statewide.
- There will still be scales for bridge ratings (old and new styles) for a while
- Need to get the translated number for local bridges as soon as possible
- Is there a way to get all of the data in the BDIS system to the locals?
- Rich M. will work to get at least the converted condition ratings by April 2017 to the local owners
- Rich will see if it is worth it (possible) to add a local to the inspection manual
7. Closing thoughts
Rich thanked everyone for helping with the review process for Bridge-NY (County and Town Hwy Supt Associations).